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October 11, 2009

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aupanner

The CMBS model is dead - for now. Like a dormant seed of grass. For now, for real investors, the thought of buying a black pool of fixed income securities is unthinkable. For now, money is again being "invested". Before, it was being allocated.

A version of the CMBS market should come back soon - whereby the issuer keeps the bottom 10% of the paper and is the manager/servicer. A few REITs can execute that model. But that's how MBS paper should get put to market now.

Later, when market liquidity becomes excessive again and fund managers become allocaters again, with the right mix of water, sunlight and shade, the seed will begin to grow again.

And then of course, it'll get squashed...

Dark Space

The entire commercial mortgage market is $3.4 trillion - are you saying that $3 trillion of it is bad?

Also, there is http://thecrereview.blogspot.com/2009/09/assessment.html

To aupanner's comment, the special already hold's the bottom of the CMBS stack. Some ABS issuers have pfandebriefe like structures too. We may see this, but this doesn't eliminate or solve any problems - the issuer just values the residual piece at zero and we're back at square one.

Technical Default? U.S. CMBS loans do not have covenants that cause them to go into technical default because the underlying asset value goes down.

Dark Space

For some reason it automatically abbreviated my comment (above). The second paragraph said something to the effect that the maturity schedule in CMBS over the next 5 years is below $50 billion each year, and most of those bonds are 10-year old bonds, with higher coupons than today's going rate, 10-years of appreciation, lower LTVs - they won't have the issues refinancing that a lot of non-CMBS debt will have.

aupanner

"10-yrs of appreciation"?
I think that the appreciation is negative in most markets on this planet.

DS - I think you're probably correct with your comment about being back at square one if assets fall. I was making the assumption that the bubble would be less likely to form in the first place, if lenders were actually lending their own money. But, since it is always going to be a volume business from our (employees) perspective, it's tough (impossible?) to take remove the temptation to over-lend.

I wonder how the compensation structures will change coming out of this, if at all. It's probably more likely that people just bounce around and get a new "basis" at a new platform. It's almost like track record doesn't matter because everyone's is so bad and if yours is good, then it is viewed as luck.

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